On the couch again; thoughts.

I was having a conversation with my mom the other day. Somehow the subject of suicide came up. She was telling me about someone.
Anyway, after she explained the circumstances, I said that sometimes maybe it is better for the person, if you look at what the were dealing with – very controversial of me to say, I know, but it was a flash thought at that moment.
My mom then said that she doesn’t think so, because what if that person now has to come to back into the world again and endure all of what they found hard to deal with in the first place, because that person did not complete the cycle.
I couldn’t answer that as I don’t know…

43 thoughts on “On the couch again; thoughts.

  1. I rate that if you had to come back to deal with it, you’d most probably come back stronger, more prepared to take on those challenges. People say that suicide is the easy way out, what they don’t realise though that trying to commit it is a really hard thing to do as well.

  2. That’s a tough call, but suicide is usually a very self-centered exit plan. Choosing to leave everyone behind instead of fighting through whatever the situation may be… it’s a shortcut. Everyone dies eventually, but leaving early is like sneaking out the back door on a date – it hurts others too. Better to seek help and guidance from friends and family than to leave them behind, I think. Still, I wouldn’t presume to say “no you can’t” to someone who has nothing but pain to look forward to… there are better ways to go than by taking one’s own life though. I would hold on until I was able to use my life to save another.

  3. Your mom’s philosophy is exactly what has kept me alive.

    As tempted as I have been in the past to ‘push the reset button’, the thought of returning to endure the same and possibly worse endeavours, prevents me from ‘taking the leap’.

    However, I do not judge those who have taken their own lives.

  4. I don’t have answers for you, but you are in my thoughts and prayers. I know that it is often from a person’s greatest pain, that their greatest gifts and strengths are forged. I believe you have much to give the world, and in so doing, you will experience more of the inner beauty and strength that I believe you possess.

  5. I’m not sure what your mother was saying .. did she mean if the person died and then was reincarnated… or that the person who tried to commit suicide had to come back into the ‘real world’ once again… I certainly don’t think suicide is an answer to a problem but I do understand one coming to the point where they see no other way out of their pain. They just need someone to help them back…. (p.s. I’m just on the computer for a little while as I’m having the long awaited surgery…. this morning)…. Diane

    • Good luck with the surgery, Diane. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.

      I think what my mom meant was that what if one has to come back and do it all over again because the first (cycle) has not been completed.


  6. Quite a profound post Michelle. I won’t comment on the right or wrong of it but one thing I’m positive about. Everyone has considered it at one time or another. If they say otherwise they are being untruthful to you and themselves.

    In a way. suicidal thoughts are a coping mechanism. They force us to prioritize and reset our values so that other things gain proper perspective. For the unfortunate few who have little or no support from friends and family that perspective is hard to achieve.

    As for reincarnation, I’m very ambivalent. Sometimes it makes perfect sense to me and others times it’s a very scary thought!

    • Thanks about the photo, Al. I was on a boat on the Seine River, France, we went under this particular bridge, I took this picture fleetingly. I was happy that it turned out as it did.

  7. Suicide to me is sad ~ it matters not to me if you have to redo the lessons the next time around. Fact remains that the person feels such utter desperation that they take their own lives. That to me is the core of the matter ~ that they weren’t able to find hope nor connect with another human being at that time. I’ve had close people in my life take this route and it always breaks my heart.

  8. She’s right about cycles, wrong because she doesn’t understand depression. However, no matter what Life throws at you, one must understand that you are tasked with something. There is a reason. And even if it is hard, you have a role to play. There is nothing – nothing – on your journey you can’t manage somehow. If you do, you’re wiser, stronger and better equipped to face the next obstacle. And believe me – a life without obstacles is no life at all.

  9. As a mother of a child who is in the hospital right now due to an attempt, I would say no it’s not the answer. But, the pain sometimes is more than the alternative for them. It’s painful for those they leave behind. Counselors don’t seem to know – no matter how professional – that a pill doesn’t cure the pain.
    Suicide doesn’t end the pain. It creates more pain for the helpless ones left behind.
    Deep controversy in the conversation as it’s the pain who is in charge.

  10. I have struggled with those thoughts in the past many years ago when I was overwhelmed by life’s circumstances. I personally believe what the Bible says about death in Hebrews 9:27, “…it is appointed for man to die ONCE, and after that comes judgment.” (emphasis mine.) I believe we only get one shot at life, and everyone will be judged. I am thankful that Christ died for my sins, so I won’t have to. I will die physically, but I will be with Him, and will never suffer eternal punishment. That’s my hope and my life and what has kept me going for over 20 years!!

  11. Suicide is never right. This world is still full of kind and loving people, there is help out there, there is always hope. if that is not enough there is God we can cry out to. anyone can be weak & selfish. I had a fellow student throw himself under semi track. I’ve never felt more disgusted and upset when all of us students learnt about it. I would give only one excuse towards suicide – complete insanity – this can’t be helped!

  12. I wouldn’t know what to answer, really, this is a hard one. I think people who think about suicide must be so desperate with everything in life as they cannot find another way out, a sad thing to get to that stage.

  13. This past summer three teenagers committed suicide. Two boys together and a girl on her own. The high school is two blocks from where I live. I never knew any of them but it still shocks. I cringed and wept for the parents. Whether it is right or wrong, I am in no position to way. Do I have an opinion? Yes, but I have no idea what pain was suffered before the exit became a better choice.
    Good post. Great conversation.

  14. I hope they’ll be come back stronger, so that they can deal with it in their next life. Your mother has the same thought about this as I have. I think it’s better to finish this life, even if you think you’re not able to. The picture is fantastic, Hope, and very good choses on the subject. Pawkiss 🙂

Namaste. My soul honors your soul. I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides. I honor the light, love, truth, beauty & peace within you, because it is also within me. In sharing these things we are united, we are the same, we are one.

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